Dr. Donut & The Dingus

{39} Ryan Adams Blocked The Doc

Julie Jolliff

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In this, the 3rd & Final installment in The Ryan Adam's Trilogy, The good Doctor is back to tell her tale of traveling to LA to gift him some Cologne she made & she also tells the heartbreaking story of being personally blocked by him on IG.  The Verdict is in on the guy now so listen to hear what it is.  You're Welcome.


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That's what I got first.

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Oh no, why'd you do it just now? I'm doing it live. Here we go.

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Wait, you're talking, you're doing IG live?

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Live on here, yeah.

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Uh oh wow, okay.

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So let's do it. I don't know if it's happening. Share with everyone.

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Wow. Well right.

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Damn it.

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Is it working out? Is it working out for you?

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Oh yeah, now it's working.

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Well, hello everyone on Instagram, I guess.

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We are live. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Um, Emily, you're back.

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I'm back. I even wore my name tag.

SPEAKER_02

Oh. Now everyone, everyone knows who you are.

SPEAKER_01

I opened a box of um letters and memorabilia from high school. And it's just chalk full of very loving words. And so this was my name tag at the skate in Richmond, Indiana. And I mean my BFF were uh working at the food stand, and then the guy who is the DJ would play special um like disco songs for us because we like disco.

SPEAKER_02

Oh anyway. Well, I like that.

SPEAKER_01

Um how shall we begin?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, right. Well, it's been a it's been a little while. A lot's happened. I think um on your end, when it comes to uh the interactions with the man we've been talking about the last month or two, Ryan Adams.

SPEAKER_01

So good old Ryan Adams. This is the third and last third and final installment installment, and I have to say I'm proud of our journalism.

SPEAKER_02

Oh sorry, I mean I was gonna say, leading to that, yeah, you got some stuff to share.

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Little.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I don't I'm not having done anything to be honest.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, well, let me just kind of debrief you. So um, I was having a very manic-y episode where I was obsessed with Ryan Adams because I'd never listened to his music, like because I thought he was Ryan Cabrera. Uh anyway, I did a deep dive into his music, and I love, I still love Ryan Adams and the Cardinals, they're incredible. And there are some like there's some great music that he put out before the New York Times article. Um, so what happened with me in relation to Ryan Adams is that um I took the kids and I to LA uh to meet a friend to go to the Hollywood Bowl and see uh the Moldy Peaches and uh whatever that other band is. Colin Oberst.

SPEAKER_02

Oh Bright Eyes, Bright Eyes or Connor. I think I called him Colin all last episode, but I think I think his name's Connor, Connor Oberst.

SPEAKER_01

Connor, there you go. And he's he's doing a lot of interviews right now and sharing uh how he almost went to the dark side.

SPEAKER_02

I saw something about that, like he's dealing with depression or something like that, and alcoholism, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, um, but I need to watch that because that show is actually great. Um, at the end, they had this really powerful, um, it's kind of like the the strokes at Coachella, they were showing these like okay, you know, really socialist type things and like pro LGPTQ. Um, Strokes have a new album, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

Sorry to interrupt. They have a new album, they have a new album that just came out on Friday, and I listened to the first couple tracks. I like it. Well, I thought it was really good. That first song, I feel like, is one that they played at Coachella where he gets really high in his vocals, and it's slow. And you like the slow, I think. Uh, yeah, I mean they do it pretty well, but uh I gotta listen to the whole thing, but it was pretty good, and um, I recognized I think that first song is from that Coachella side, if I'm not mistaken. Well, I'll definitely check it out. Yeah, no, it sounds good to me, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And uh, my friend Jen Daking, she just is like she it just took us. We didn't do it for uh moldy peaches, but she took us all the way down to the floor of bright eyes, and um, you know, she just walked right in. She's like, That my friend's in the band, whatever. And um, you know, uh, we stayed as long as we could because uh my child it is very sensitive to sound and like lights and just people. So I left a little early with them and let Jen and her son finish the rest. But everything I was hearing was gorgeous. And then Desi sent me a I think she sent me a clip of their yeah, it was uh finale with that had all the good words. So anyway, speaking of concerts, Ryan Adams announced last week that he um is canceling his European tour due to uh bad health and his menier's disease. Um and I get on the Reddit because I can't see the Instagram anymore. So here's the other thing motherfucking Ryan Adams blocked me on Instagram. He made it, he's made it, huh?

SPEAKER_02

I said you've made it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He can he took notice. Um I think that's his problem. Like, he he wants to read anything and everything about him. Um, and so I took it kind of personally, and I was sad. Um, and I'll tell you a little bit more about that. Okay, why I took it personally, but then I got on the Reddit and everyone was like, I'm blocked, he blocked me, he blocked me last year, and he unblocked me. So it's something that he he does when he sees or hears something negative, and I believe he saw our clip where Connie was talking some shit about him, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um, yeah, he probably didn't like it very much.

SPEAKER_01

Oh no, and so from what I am from what I had seen on Instagram, uh, someone, a manager, had his like instant was controlling the Instagram, and so it would be very little content, and then um all of a sudden, and I was not blocked yet, he started like maniacally posting like a shitload of stories, and then um just being weird. Uh he recently I saw it on YouTube. He writes novels. I had one, and then I was like, don't want anymore. Um, and so his fourth book just came in, and so he's like dancing, just being fucking weird. Um but anyway, uh the Reddit people, it's weird. I can see they're old fans, uh, and they're like uh pissed at his behavior because they miss the old like Ryan Adams with a band. And um I don't know, they're crazy, dude. They're really fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it is tough when you like an artist and uh you know, you think you're you're just waiting for them to like kind of go back to maybe some of the glory days, or at least come out with something worthwhile. And if they're getting a chance, they think to see them live for the first time in a long time, and then that gets taken away from them. People get all in their feelings about stuff like that, and uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, there's a lot of disappointment, yeah. Um, and a lot of hate, and a lot of the most of the comments were uh, like he said, he's canceling the tour, and someone was like, and water is wet, you know, it's the we expect this show.

SPEAKER_02

I guess it's yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like it's like Morrissey canceled a show, what's new? Yeah, kind of like people expect it from him, I guess.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and then I you know, he's he is in Australia last year. He like posted this crazy shit and saying they're the worst place ever, and um uh he said, I I regret ever being a liberal. Oh no, and then there was some like Fox News in the background stuff, so he gone. He gone. Yeah, he's on he's not he's not the same person, and I think that the um you know the New York Times article and the FBI investigation was very, very fucking traumatic for him, sure.

SPEAKER_02

Um and he's all these liberals and that demand accountability, fuck them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and he's still he's obsessed with it. He goes on stage, talks shit about uh Phoebe Bridgers and um like I have real most motion sickness, and oh, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02

She's got a new album coming out. She's got a new album coming out soon, too.

SPEAKER_01

So he the other thing is that people are saying how different he looks, like he looks so different, and I have compassion for that because you know we get older. I had this neck surgery. Oh, by the way, the doctor's in. I noticed I found it. I found it in my scope, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, good find.

SPEAKER_01

Fuck, what was I sitting?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, you're talking about how you sympathize with his his looks have changed.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and so like now my neck looks a lot older than my other, you know, people my age, but um yeah, man, he got fat, whatever. A lot of us get fucking fat. Yeah, but he so what I know about um his body changing uh is that he said um and others said that after the New York Times thing happened, he became like a hermit and he would order in pad thai like every night. And so you got fat on pad tie and twinkies, he said.

SPEAKER_02

Jesus, what a combo.

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And he got he got big.

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I'd do it, I would do the pad tie twinkie dinner.

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I would have it like once in a while.

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Oh, yeah.

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I do like those hostess things. I oh love Star Crunch.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god, I was just about to say. So my brother just got went on a nostalgia trip a couple weeks ago on our text thread, it was talking about little Debbie, and we would just start going, we started going down cream pot, yeah. And we started going down the list of all like what we grew up with and our favorites, and I got a boxing rolls. I got a box of um Star Cr Crunch from the good uh not the goodwill, the uh Dollar General a couple weeks ago, or like a month or so ago. So fucking underrated. But funny story about the old man, he used to deliver magazines, right, and delivery a box truck similar to myself, and in Virginia, and he he would deliver porno mags, right? When those you know good old days, and he has a epic uh stash that we all knew about growing up, and JPX talked to JPX about he's like 90s ladies, 80s, 80s, 90s, yeah. And JPX got them all. He they were gonna trade, they're gonna throw them out when JPX salvaged them. Um, but the old man would trade the porno mags to the snack guys, the snack truck drivers, and we had men when we were like growing boys, uh-huh, preteen teenage years, pantry full of Intamins cakes and fucking little Debbie and hostess and fucking chips. Pretty much what my kids eat at my house, trading porn for snacks.

SPEAKER_01

That's like that's so smart, it's so wholesome. He's like, I don't need this. Well, I already looked for it as well.

SPEAKER_02

That's probably what Ryan Adams gets into, you know, like porn and snacks, you know, just like any aging man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think he back in the old days, even when he was in Whiskey Town, and then following that, um, I'm sure he was banging so many fucking chicks, and I think he I don't know, I think he's very um sort of ashamed of his uh body now.

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Um but he still gets all these young ladies.

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Like I saw a really good um performance he did in a small space just this year, and there's this like fucking model. Like she got she like left to the go to the bathroom and she came back, and she's all and she's like wearing just like a sparkly bra. It is fucking crazy. And then the woman filming it is like, he's so beautiful. Um, and you know, I felt that way too. Um, I felt that he was still beautiful, and I thought, I think in my mind was like, he's crazy, I'm crazy. Uh he, you know, he needs to be taken care of, I need to be taken care of. But if I'm taking care of someone else, I'm not thinking about that, right? But um I do have compassion for the backlash of what happened. I it fucked him up real good, but yeah, now he's more crazy and more angry. Um yeah, it's too bad, you know.

SPEAKER_02

It's we were talking a few weeks ago about people who got uh not saying that he did, but people who got like possibly wrongly me too, and uh because it was some of it is, I think some of it is wave stupid. It was it was a huge, much needed wave throughout the industry or the entertainment industry. But some people, and we mentioned Aziz and Sari didn't really see like he did too much. He was just like a little too forward or something. I don't know, but he's kind of coming back, you know. Like I just saw he's headlining a show and like Madison Square Garden for a benefit for 9-11, and with like really, yeah, all these other not headlining, but he's there with like Pete Davidson and very into the uh American direct, yeah, he's directing movies and stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Go back so Pete Davidson, Pete Davidson will be there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's a 9-11 benefit at oh, yeah, his dad's the square guard and Dave Chappelle and other Bill Burr. Um, but speaking of Me Too people, like just last night I got a little drunk, and I was like, There's a new Louis CK special on Netflix on Netflix.

SPEAKER_01

It's not very good. Really?

SPEAKER_02

I thought it was funny. I was like laughing because I used to love him back when I've been watching him since 19.

SPEAKER_01

Did you know he he wrote Pudie Tang?

SPEAKER_02

What's that?

SPEAKER_01

He wrote the movie Pootie Tang.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, Pudie Tang, yeah. Yeah, but I I remember him and Dave Chappelle and Dave Attel. I had it, I had it on VHS at the young comedian special from Aspen, Colorado, in 1996. They were like nobodies, and I've been paying attention. And I'd like to see that he was really he's a really funny dude, but I've been avoiding watching him for so long. I was like, I was like, fuck it. I'm just gonna he's a funny dude, I'm gonna watch, and it was funny, but I feel bad about it, you know.

SPEAKER_01

I know it's it's kind of pathetic, and I think that's why I didn't connect with it because I used to love his shit. I used to watch that show, very funny show, Louie. Um, it's so good.

SPEAKER_02

I worked with him one day. Uh oh, did you?

SPEAKER_01

How was it?

SPEAKER_02

He was one of the only guest stars a season of Portlandia.

SPEAKER_01

He was like oh, you did Portlandia?

SPEAKER_02

I did one full season and then holy shit, that's great. Day played on a one or two others, but um that season he was. I think he was the only guest star that like it was like a closed set, like he didn't want interaction with anybody, like he just hung out on his trailer and came to set, and you were only allowed on set. It was almost like shooting a sex scene or something. It's like he didn't want anyone around, and I'm like, he was just evading the see that it seems like his two his attitude, yeah. So I was like, that's a little hoity-toidy, but he's also a weirdo.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it seems like he doesn't want, um, it's almost like his postural, he's like, doesn't want anyone, yeah. But he but then he wants them to see his dick, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

And he also he's a director, like he's used to running sets, so it's just a personal thing where he's like, I don't want to see these fucking people. I don't want to fucking see the crew, I just want to do my shit and go.

SPEAKER_01

How is Fred Armison?

SPEAKER_02

Very sweet, very sweet. They have a podcast coming out uh rewatch Portlandia podcast, Carrie and Fred. Cool. Carrie is super sweet, like they're just really sweet people, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Good. I'm glad you hear that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was fun, it was a good time, anyway. Anyway, back to Ryan Adams. So it's just like when I was watching Louis CK last night, and I felt guilty laughing or even watching in the first place. Um I'd imagine there's a similar feeling for a lot of people either buying a new Ryan Adams album or going to a show of his, and he knows that the luster, the shine is gone. And he's the only people that are coming are people that don't know or don't care, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's like a love-hate relationship, and a lot of the Reddit, I think they're um British. Uh, you know, you can tell by their their writing style. Uh, and here's the funny thing. We got trolled. Dr. Donut and the Dingus has been trolled on Reddit. Oh boy, this sounds funny. I was like, like everyone was talking about how they got blocked, and so I put the episode in um and was like, this is what this is how we were blocked, and then this guy wrote the meanest fucking thing. Like, he said they should take away podcast equipment from you, and um, it was the most shittiest podcast I've ever heard, and you're a fucking stupid, he's called me a stupid bimbo. Oh wow, and I'm not, I am not number one, definitely not a bimbo. And I may be stupid in the uh that I can't do math and shit, uh, but I'm very smart at other things.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah. No, you can't listen to a faceless idiot. Like, who cares?

SPEAKER_01

Plus, I was a it was a character I was doing Connie, so it doesn't even matter, and plus whatever, we're not professionals. I yeah, I didn't care. It kind of bugged me at first, and being blocked from Ryan Adams really kind of upset me at first because he had been during the Manic episode, and then what happens is the the next depression and shame and all that shit, and like uh his music and his live performances from a little bit back in the day, they're fucking great. And Larry, my neighbor, comes over and he'll be doing air guitar and we'll be watching it and very nice. Yeah, love a good air guitar. So, let me tell you about my attempt to contact Rhino.

SPEAKER_02

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So initially I had been writing emails to like. I think in my mind, number one, I got uh the sort you know expanded. I was like, we could definitely get an interview with Ryan Adams, so like wild thinking, and I believed it, and so I found his manager and I emailed him a few times, and then when Ryan Adams got his phone back, all his management had changed. So Richard, whatever, he's no longer part of it. Um okay, so when we were in LA the last day, um, so I had made him that perfume, like the uh sex panther anchor man perfume, right? And I doxxed him incorrectly. Oh so he he lives near Alex Trebek's old house, and it is in Studio City Hills, and I dropped off the perfume in a um cologne in one of those like little library things, neighborhood things, and um it was all decked out, like I had a great, it was a and I just said like uh deliver to David Bryan Adams. So I don't think he got it. Um, and on Reddit, people are talking shit about him for being like, um, he kept flip-flopping. Uh, he would say recently, he would say, like, uh, Pax AM, the studio is like going under. We need help, like, we really need you to buy merch. We really need you to buy these guitars and the pinball machines and all that shit. And then in the next breath, I think even in the same paragraph, he would say something about that he was like rich and he lived in the Hollywood Hills and like brought up his money, and then again begging for fans to buy his shit. Um, and there's a lot of people making fun of that, you know. I think he's just he's he has some kind of mental illness, sure. And I it could be even like OCD because he uh reads the Reddits, he's obsessed with it, and then he'll talk about it like spam. Deuce, they're they're fucking awful. It's the only way I can see his stuff right now.

SPEAKER_02

That's uh people live to do that shit. That's why I'm that's not why I left uh Instagram and Facebook and all that stuff because you can just I mean, I had private, I was only on there for my friends, but uh the people who just live to you know troll strangers and just have to have an opinion about everything. It's like the platform of just hearing everyone's opinions constantly is so annoying, and then they it carries over to real life. Like it used to be you don't talk about what is it, sex, religion, and politics. Now it's like talk about anything to a stranger anywhere, like you can you learn about people so fast now. I can't tell you how many strangers I know so much about doing deliveries in like two, like they tell me everything, like calm down. Um this is it's like that Chappelle sketch of like what if the internet was the real world? What would it look like? It's like conversations kind of become a fucking message board. Like, people were it's like they talk like they're commenting. It's like I didn't ask any of that shit, and you're telling us so much people.

SPEAKER_01

I love those people who just want to chat, man.

SPEAKER_02

No, I love the chat, I love the chat, but a lot of it's really rageful personal political anger stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Oh no, we don't do that.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I don't fucking care. Like, how about we just say hi and walk, you know what I mean? Like, I don't need to fucking hear that you're what you're mad about. I don't need to hear what you're mad about at all. Let's just not do that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'm hosting now at Tinder Fire uh Kitchen. It's like a really hipster wood fired pizza place, and it people and it's in the old CSF campus across from the filter.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, you were telling me that I want to see this gym or something.

SPEAKER_01

I want to see what this fucking is so this looks like a lot of people like there's a line outside, and I'm hosting, and it's like it's I'm learning, and so it's kind of embarrassing. But anyway, at night, when after everyone's been seated and everything's cool, I met this man, and he said, Um, I didn't know where he's from. He had he had a heavy accent, but he was like really cool. And he uh was talking about he said, I feel like an alien, uh, because they're not smoking inside, so he was like, he thought it was weird to go smoke outside, and then I was like, I feel like an alien too, you know, and then he told me that he's from Lebanon, and we had a good political discussion. Um anyway, so let me tell you about people who talk, yep, and it's another Dr. Donut. I'm not obsessed, I'm being respectful. Um, and I don't think I'm gonna dox this person either. Um, but a very famous uh band lead singer from the era when we were in college and everyone was listening to it. Um he moved here uh and he went to Tinderfire, and then afterwards I left work and went to Elray Court and he was there. And so I was like, hey, how are you doing? you know, and uh he came and talked with me, and um I acknowledged that uh my manager is friends with his girlfriend, and we looked at his girlfriend, and she is a badass, like she's a model, and she's very smart, and anyway, so he and I were like going deep because uh I just kept chatting with him, so he's like following me around, and then and then so I told him some bipolar stories. Um speaking of 9-11, this is bad. So I um was having a manic like episode coming on, and I thought I was being really fucking funny, and I was a school counselor and I didn't do much there. Anyway, I had to be present in a classroom and just watch the kids like make sure everything's cool, and so you know, they're all talking, they're on their phones, they're being crazy, and so I was like, you guys, 9-11 has happened again. They're like, What here? What's happening? Miss, what's happening? And it was like a second plane hit the twin towers. I just thought it was fucking hilarious, and then looking back, I'm like, thank god, like no one told on me for that.

SPEAKER_02

Um, so anyway, he this guy thought it was fucking hilarious, and so when did you when did you tell that joke? Or when did you have when do what year was this?

SPEAKER_01

Um it was like three or four years ago.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, um, so anyway, this guy, I love him. We're we're throwing out. Um, he just like following me everywhere, and it felt really nice. I was like, Yeah, this guy thinks I'm funny, he wants to like follow me around and hang out. And um, what was it gonna say? Oh, so then every time like someone would approach, um, he would be like, Yeah, tell him the 9-11 story, tell him the 9-11, listen, this is important, and like I'd tell it to everyone. Wow, and it was just really nice. He's he was very sweet, and then this guy also uh was in hot water during the Me To move movement, about the same time Ryan Adams was. Okay, so y'all can just figure that out yourselves.

SPEAKER_02

Um I want to know who it is, but you can tell you can tell me later. Off.

SPEAKER_01

I'll tell you later. I mean he's fucking amazing. Um, the music is fucking amazing. Here's a little hint the band is like huge, and they're all playing these different instruments and all singing. There's females, violinists, he's the lead. Maybe we'll out him another day. Um, but here's the funny thing. He's like, he's like, I want to DJ here at L Ray Court. I'm like, what what the fuck? Like you you won't DJ here? Like there's not room for that. Um, and so he is gonna DJ, I think, at uh this thing happening in August with um Featherichi and all those DJ dudes.

SPEAKER_02

So musicians love the DJ, they love the DJ.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it it's he's got an Instagram also. He's got an Instagram handle for his DJing shit, and I like it because you know I don't like electronic music, I hate the like bass, I hate that. Um, but it's more like songs, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's it's like I feel like a lot of musicians like to DJ like party, like just play deep cuts and play songs that get people dancing and like not cutting shit up, not creating stuff, but like just digging in crates and playing cool songs all fucking night.

SPEAKER_01

Like I watched one set that he did like in Italy, and uh he he played um Salaway, Salaway, Salaway, and like didn't touch it, didn't change it at all. And like everyone's losing their shit.

SPEAKER_02

Isn't that Enya?

SPEAKER_01

It's Enya, yeah. And here's the thing like, okay, so when I found out at work that my manager's friend was um like dating him, I was like, Oh, do you know that dude? Like some shit went down with that dude. Google it, you know. And then she was like, I feel like I need to tell her she's Australian. And I was like, I'm sure she knows, like, I'm sure she googled him at some point.

SPEAKER_03

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but anyway, he is also very, very tall, and I think he's really handsome because I love men that look like goblins, and he's very, very fashionable and um so kind of uh that I'm like, yeah, I this dude got canceled for a little bit, okay, but I absolutely forgive him because he's very fucking awesome. All right, anyway, all right, how exciting!

SPEAKER_02

You know, I love me too. The rock stars and the celebrities, yeah, and they love Santa Fe.

SPEAKER_01

He seems to love it, and so like everyone, so I don't know if you remember that dude, Geet Geet Jacobs. Nope, he's a bar fly there, like he's like the mayor of that fucking place, pretty much. Of the pizza place, yeah. I'm like, I might I'm skipping around the um bar at Elray Court, and it's called La Reina, and um, so anyway, Geet shows up. Geet is giving me all sorts of nice compliments in front of Mr. Man, nice, and um, he knows seems to know him well, so it's like he's making friends here and he's chilling at L record.

SPEAKER_02

Cool. Well, now you know where to go just to hang out.

SPEAKER_01

Brent Bayless is on. I called him last night because I wanted to say, hey, anytime you see this guy, text me and get and let me know where you guys are because I want to come. Because uh we I mean we hung out for like three hours, and he he's following me around. It's really fun for me, made me feel good. So, Brent, you might already know who I'm talking about, but I'll text you later.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, I I want to know.

SPEAKER_01

I'll tell you. I just don't want to, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I got some ideas, but I don't want considering the the history and maybe some negative stuff.

SPEAKER_01

I'm not gonna make any guesses because I don't wanna the reason I don't want to say it is because um, you know, Santa Fe is so fucking small, and I don't know. He's very friendly to everyone, though. He's like says hi to everybody, he's very nice.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe he should anyway, maybe he knows Ryan Adams and he can give him some love etiquette.

SPEAKER_01

So here's the funny thing. So, you know, we were talking like we were going really deep. Like he told me that um his girlfriend, like he's so in love with her that it's a spiritual kind of love. And he said, I never felt that way for anyone except for my uh wife. And he said, I knew we would be creative partners, and I knew that she was someone special and magical. And then, you know, here we are like 25 years later. Um, and he found this woman, uh, and he's like, She's like an alien. Like, I can't believe she exists. I'm so spiritually in love with her. It was sweet. Um so anyway, we're going deep. And so I know he's a musician and he's been through crazy shit. So I just shared about, like I said, my manic episodes, like my bipolar, and they told him about the obsession with Ryan Adams, and he just laughed. And um, when I was in jail, so I got fucking arrested for this thing.

SPEAKER_02

No one knows but me that this happened.

SPEAKER_01

I had a manic episode, and this asshole who that he's getting kicked out soon called the fucking cops on me, and they I told the cop immediately, I said, I'm in the CIA, you're in the CIA. We we speak the same language, is what the body cam showed. And then he immediately was like, You're law enforcement, and I was like, Yep. And then he handcuffed me, and they left one arm free, and so I brushed him while I was putting my hands behind my back. So I got charged with the felony battery on a police officer. And because I said I was in the CIA, I got um what is it like impersonating a yeah, an officer or or what something like that? Right, which is pretty funny, and then I got resisting arrest. So I got the felony squashed. I actually had court this morning. Oh wow, and um, it was the it's over the phone. Uh the officer just basically he gets to do some discovery and like interview witnesses. Um, but he's not, and there's that guy who was the witness, he's getting kicked out of here and he's just gonna be gone. Um, so anywho, here's the other fucking thing. Motherfucker dude was outside, it was like two nights ago, outside my trailer and knocking softly for like 15 minutes. Weird, and then he started bouncing on my um the stairs to get into this RB, and the whole place was shaking. And so I called Larry and I was like, dude, can you please go see like who is knocking on my door? And he went over and I could hear on the phone um what was happening, and like dude was extremely drunk and wasted, and then he claims he has no memory of doing that. Um, but that it's scary, man. I'm a single woman, I think, you know. Yeah, they could have been here, only was upset.

SPEAKER_02

I bet anyway.

SPEAKER_01

So, yeah, I've been through a lot of bad things. I was like circling the fucking drain, and I feel like, as you know, because I always get different jobs, like 100 different jobs. Um, this job is good for me because it's very social and I get to, you know, talk with people, and that's good, right?

SPEAKER_02

That's good.

SPEAKER_01

Everything, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

We'll see. Well, I'm glad you're out in the world and then join people's company and getting paid to do it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so that's it.

SPEAKER_02

And there's a lot more fun people to work with, you know, as an adult, like in a middle-aged person. I mean, a lot of people have like waitressing and bartending as like a fucking career, and they make if you work at the right place, they make such good money, especially the bar tippers. Oh, yeah. I mean, I dated a waitress that worked at like hip places and shit, and she, I mean, she's making hundreds of dollars a night, exactly coming home with wads of cash, and it's like you know, a good job will pay, you know, a deep 250 something a day for eight hours, and then they're walking out with their their cash.

SPEAKER_01

Here's the thing that sucks they pull tips, they pull tips and it goes on your paycheck, so like I don't leave with tips and it cuts kind of lame. I'm gonna have to wait till Monday to get paid, but it it's very nice. Actually, I'm gonna get a sliced pizza right now. You entertain the people.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, speaking of pizza, we got dominoes last night and changed up the order a little bit, and we do it once, maybe twice a month out of convenience.

SPEAKER_01

And oh, there's only a few pieces left, but you know, it's like three wood fired pieces. The dough is like so yeah, dominoes. They, you know, there's no shame in the dominoes game.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we call it dominoes, but the next morning, but it it kicked in pretty early for me this morning. I was getting the boy ready for camp, and I was like, Man, my stomach's like turning over here.

SPEAKER_01

It's uh it's just whatever grease, greasy substances they I think their their crust is like just bross carbs that are still lubes you up, lubes up your insides, and it all just comes real good.

SPEAKER_02

It's like donoria out there. Yeah, that's easy to take care of.

SPEAKER_01

Well, so anyways, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02

I was gonna say the to to put a nice bow on this Ryan Adams saga, because after after this episode, we should probably go back to doing what we do best, which is giving bad advice to people. Um but is there anything else? And if there is or not, if there isn't, what's um where where are you sitting with all of this um your fandom and your feelings?

SPEAKER_01

Well, as a true journalist, we set out to find out if he deserves to be uh uncancelled.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um after you know, really looking into the kind of shit he does to his fans and the kinds of like fit throwing he does on stage and the kind of like talking shit repeatedly about people who he has beef with. He's just I think so focused on that, and his body's really, you know, his body's really going downhill. Um and he used to play with a band, right? He used to have like a band, it was cool, there's like lights everywhere, and uh it was just before he got canceled. It's a pretty good era, but um so I decided, and Desi told me initially up front, you need to have a crush on uh somebody good, like this guy is bad fucking news, he looks like a fucking troll and whatever, but I could see his old self in his, you know, how he is now, right? Oh, there go Oni is here.

SPEAKER_02

Hello, Oni.

SPEAKER_01

Um, so the verdict is this. Once he when he unfriended me or whatever, it actually like really hurt. It felt like a weird rejection because I didn't know he did that to everyone. And I was hurt because I still really enjoyed his content and he was posting all the time. And I was like, I'm gonna miss this shit. Like he never posts, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um so anyway, my verdict is that he he's a person uh struggling with probably some mental illness and um substance abuse, substance use disorder. Um I still love his music, I have it on all the time. Me and Larry, we love Ryan Adams music. Um what's that?

SPEAKER_02

It's hard sometimes separating the artist from the art.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I had to do that. Yeah, I had to do it. Um, you know, and it sucked because like those IG things, they like soothe me and gives me dopamine, you know, all that kind of stuff. And so I was using like see seeking his media as like self-care in a way, in a bizarre way. Um so anyway, yeah, now I finally feel I know he locks everyone, and I feel able to watch and listen to his music and just enjoy it and don't think about him as a person because I think that whatever is going on with him um cognitively or whatever mental illness he might, personality disorder he might be suffering from or living with. Um said, how maybe that um it all I can say is it's wearing on him. And I do have compass a lot of compassion for him. Um he went through a total change, and I can relate to that. Um, so anyway, that's the verdict. And should he be uncanceled? He keeps talking about it. People keep talking about it. Um at this point, oh, this is what I was gonna say. Um it seems like cognitively he's not doing well and he's now doing all kinds of like MAGA type shit. Yeah, which is um, but doesn't like Trump.

SPEAKER_02

But he doesn't like, okay.

SPEAKER_01

And so that's a sign of like he he's you know, a lot of people who have schizophrenia or could be bipolar, whatever, they they go from being like liberal to like Trumpers. Uh it's a thing. I don't know what the deal is. Uh yeah, for that content they're drawn to chaos and psychosis, so you know I mean, is life can you fucking imagine like being like 19 years old and just being like a superstar boning every plume in sight?

SPEAKER_02

I mean uh I I listen to this one podcast a lot, and they just they're comedians, but they talk about they've said it so many times when they talk about like young people that get rich and famous that they're talking about on their podcast. It's like if I would have had that shit when I was 18, I'd be fucking dead. Yes, exactly. Like, I'd be fucking I'd have every STD, I'd be fucking dead probably, and like I could not have handled the fame, I couldn't have handled the money, I couldn't have handled like everyone kissing my ass. I I just could not.

SPEAKER_01

I would all the travel, all the like yeah, not sleeping.

SPEAKER_02

I would have been, I would have been a fucking monster, you know.

SPEAKER_01

He is. I mean he kind of is, and it's I understand that. And he actually, while he's selling his shit, he's like, please, um, you know, what has he said? Oh fuck. Never mind. I'm looking at somebody somebody join and it says ho. Are you calling me a hoe?

SPEAKER_02

It's that Reddit troll.

SPEAKER_01

How are you, my friend? Abed, Abed 1996. Abed, are you from um Tunisia?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, please be.

SPEAKER_01

He's from Palestine. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, all right, nice. We love you, absolutely. Um, but yeah, you gotta not to because uh his uh offenses I think happened when he was older, but it's all a snowball effect of feeling like he he probably felt invincible. Probably felt what invincible, yeah, like on top of the world. I can you can see it kind of do whatever I want.

SPEAKER_01

Some people get that ego where it's you start treating people like shit because you can, like what's you know, and uh I think that develops some legitimate um narcissistic personality disorder, and then I have compassion for those people too, because usually the narcissist becomes that way because they're inventing like a um their own world, kind of, and they have this like mask they have in front of people, and you really have to sustain it, but it's caused by trauma, you know. I think it's caused by trauma, but these people who act like narcissists are are very deeply hurt and they dissociate by being the mask, which I've never seen that movie The Mask. I'm gonna watch it when I was in Cancun. There was like this giant statue of mask, and and there I saw them everywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you talking about Jim Carrey the mask. I was just reading an article about Sam Elliott this morning and his wife, and uh I didn't know his breakout role that made him like because he's been acting for since the 60s, was Mask, you know, the movie from the 80s with Eric Stoltz and Cher and Sam Elliott, and he's got the facial deformity. You got it. That movie fucking rules. Oh, I see it. Yeah, whenever I hear people the I'm like, Are you talking about mask or the mask? Because I like mask better.

SPEAKER_01

My brother, when we were growing up, was like terrified of that image of that kid, Eric Stoltz's it's like elephant man type disease, yeah. And so I never watched it, and he would be like, I like it disgusted. That's I mean, but it is it is uh unsettling, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But that's the whole point of the movie, you know.

SPEAKER_01

I'll watch it. It's uh I'll give Larry up me and Larry watch movies together all the time. Larry I got I got a AC and a TV, nice. He takes care of only chan nice and chicks me. We love Larry. Shout out to Larry.

SPEAKER_02

Tell Larry I said hi. Oh well. Um, well, yeah, I mean, the fact that he's done what he's done and it's spiraling down. You feel bad in at the beginning, you feel bad at the end in the middle, you don't really feel bad for him, and it's all like fans want him to like you know, but at the same time, it's so unfair.

SPEAKER_01

They're like, You should play with the band again. And it's like, dude, he's got many years disease, like you he's not gonna have a full band with all this shit going on.

SPEAKER_02

So it's just a lot of this stuff is like self-inflicted, and the repercussions of it are what they are, and and they're they ain't leaving, yeah. I know I was gonna say life is what your life is now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you got a you know, you got a new deck of cards, um, and it would be a different situation if he like came out apologizing and like tried. Then he was sober, he was running, he looked great, and he acted great.

SPEAKER_02

And he showed some sort of like remorse and like wanted to actively become a better person and put in all that work, and so like he's not doing any of that, he's just like seems like he's just like fuck everybody, fuck you. Come come to my show, then I'm gonna cancel.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, he's just obsessed with it, but but he also it seems like he he foresees himself dying soon because he's like when he's selling shit, he's like, it would be great for you to have this thing while it's still here, you know. And uh yeah, he's degenerated um quite a bit. So I I feel bad for him, but I don't feel bad for him watching Fox News, he can fuck right off that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, stop doing that.

SPEAKER_01

Fuck right off Ryan Adams and Fox News, seriously, rot your brain. Islamophobe bitch worst, yeah. He's really into like uh America. So it's interesting he's play he's supposed to play that show for the 9-11 memorial.

SPEAKER_02

I wonder if he's got a big American flag or two waving off the bed of his truck.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, he really does, and he has a lot of guitars like that. Um, I think it's because that's how he got like mainstreamed was when he filmed that music video in front of the Twin Towers. Isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Isn't one of his album covers like him in front of the American flag or something? Isn't it an American flag?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's an American flag, and he's wearing something really stupid. It's like super early 2000s, he's wearing this really tight shirt with a star on it, and um oh yeah, yeah, I can see it now, which is whatever's so skinny. So, yeah, and you know, he fucked his brain up by doing he did a lot of coke and uh heroin he admits to and uh you know he's in his 20s, your brain's still developing, right? Like fucking everybody in sight. Yeah, oh, there was this cool like Courtney Love took over MTV for 24 hours, and he was there with the strokes guy that he was doing drugs with. I can't remember dude's name, but it it looks like it looks like Courtney Love and he are definitely gonna fuck that night. You should check it out.

SPEAKER_02

I yeah, that I mean, I wonder if they did.

SPEAKER_01

That'd be well, he's being cool, like that's the thing. He was being quiet and cool, and she was like, you know, going after him, and um, then they played some music, and anyway, she yeah, she like got them in bed and shit. Oh wow, oh it's it's good. Look it up. Well, that's that that's all I have to say about this.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, um, yeah. Well, that was a wild ride, and it now that I'm looking back on it, it just started out as a something you wanted to talk about, but then you actually became part of the I did it.

SPEAKER_01

I went and I tried to give him the cologne.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, this is like some real you were this is some some uh yeah, true journal.

SPEAKER_01

It was a mission and I had to complete it. Yeah, my brother was begging me, don't fucking do that. You're gonna you're gonna get a stalker charge.

SPEAKER_02

You're gonna be true.

SPEAKER_01

I was like, What just I'm just dropping the fucker off in a little library thing, and then me and the kids are going to Santa Monica Pier. Yeah, cool it.

SPEAKER_02

You do gotta you gotta be careful, you know.

SPEAKER_01

It was after I'd been arrested, so I think he was worried.

SPEAKER_02

Damn the torpedo's gonna get arrested again. Yeah, there's that, there's that because if there's a pattern of behavior, they're gonna put you in jail.

SPEAKER_01

You gotta watch that mania is no fucking joke, dude. I mean, it gets worse and worse over time, and it, you know, once you become happy again, like spring came, and I was like, all right, and I was regular happy, and then it just got into fucking uh psychosis, man. Um, I wasn't I wasn't treating myself well, I wasn't managing my symptoms well. I was actually going through on the deep end. Um I can't help it, but I do believe it's something that I agreed to uh before I I did this mission on earth. It's like I have an agreement, you know. I could have so many other maladies or like bad traumas happen, you know, my kids are healthy, they're good, nothing happened with them. I can handle the bipolar, but it is like I don't know, I'm not really embarrassed about it. I I like to share information to reduce stigma because I think it's like probably the most stigmatized mental illness there is.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you've mentioned it before for sure. Yeah, but we should talk maybe more in depth about it one time at least.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that'd be cool.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, just the disorder itself, not necessarily in your experience, but I know we've touched on it many, many times.

SPEAKER_01

It always does, like uh I think after at the end of every episode, it like shows up because you know, the mania makes me obsessive and like super grandiose. That's what it is. Um, but yeah, the depression shit. Oh my god, winter, winter in this fucking trailer, and then I have to go outside and like walk Oni out in like I'm wearing like tundra outfit. I'm like, god damn it, I miss my house, I miss my yard, all that shit. But here we are, and that that's okay, right?

SPEAKER_02

Anyway, it's it's a it's gonna be a look back and laugh situation. You're you're you're gonna move somewhere else, beautiful, and then have this great place.

SPEAKER_01

I can't hear you, man. I can't hear a goddamn word thing.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, sorry. I'm just saying you're gonna you're gonna eventually move on to bet a better place, and then you're gonna look back on these trailer days, and it's gonna be fun to talk about.

SPEAKER_01

I hope so. I mean, my goal is to just stay in this thing until the kids graduate. Um Mimi slash Casper slash Barry, I don't even know their new name. They've been playing their dad's electric guitar. And we had a night where it was really special. We had like sort of a slumber party over the phone, and I just stayed on as long as she wanted to. It was like till three in the morning. But she played the guitar and she was playing minor threat.

SPEAKER_02

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01

13-year-old playing minor threat, and she was she was passionate, you know. That's awesome. Yelled when like she needed to. It was very cool. That's and then oh, I was going through my old notes from high school, and I found this poem I wrote, and I read it to her, and she's Urhem, and uh, they're like later they were like, Send me that poem, I want to make a song out of it. It's like all that sense.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that's great. Yeah, that's really cool. Making a song out of your mom's poem. I like that idea.

SPEAKER_01

I was thinking about getting myself an a guitar, but here's we have this right xylopone.

SPEAKER_02

There you go.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna go play the fucking xyophone, man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I got this at CSF from that guy who was only there for a year that was friends with Sammy.

SPEAKER_02

Anyway, oh I was I thought you were gonna say um the rapper guy Nate Dog. No, the Macklemore.

SPEAKER_01

Oh Macklemore. I I don't remember him at all.

SPEAKER_02

Do you I remember having like one interaction with him and my friend Paul because he was Paul is a rapper too, and playing music and stuff, and I don't know what they were, they were just buddies, I think. And uh I don't know, I just remember hanging talking to him to him in the parking lot or something, but I didn't have a classes or anything with them.

SPEAKER_01

I I think he was only there for one semester or something like this.

SPEAKER_02

Once one semester or one year, but yeah, 99 2000, something like that. It was like 2000, 2001. Because I didn't go there there until 2000. That was my first fall 2000 was my first semester.

SPEAKER_00

Year 2000.

SPEAKER_02

I have that book.

SPEAKER_00

Year 2000.

SPEAKER_02

I have I have a little times. I have a in the year 2000 book, joke book.

SPEAKER_01

But that's just what what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02

It's the book version of all the in the year 2000 jokes from the show, or from Conan. Yeah, from Conan. I have that's great tucked away somewhere. It's fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01

That's very cool. I love that thing.

SPEAKER_02

Um, well, there we are. Yeah, here we are. I think it's time to call it.

SPEAKER_01

Let's call it, man.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but always good talking to you. Let's be in touch about the next episode. Now that this trilogy is over, we'll get back to trilogy's done. We'll get back to we'll get back to what we do best, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, people send us like text us some um advice questions.

SPEAKER_02

Um, yeah, some what do you do?

SPEAKER_01

Some advice, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

What topics do you need assistance with? What things, what problems do you have? What's wrong with you? Tell us what the fuck's wrong with you, and then we'll uh we'll help you the best way we can.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because we're all we are uh very queer ourselves because we're weird, yeah. We should have accepting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We should have tried to help Ryan Adams, but I don't think he'd listen to that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's kind of what I wanted to do. I don't think he'd but he didn't he's no, he is not he his mind is fixated on hate, sure. So that's too bad.

SPEAKER_02

Fix hated, he's fix hated.

SPEAKER_01

He hates everything and every book, and he loves his cats, and he loves his books.

SPEAKER_02

You can't fix hate when you're fix hated.

SPEAKER_01

He's totally the ice totally and the Fox News. So welcome. Fuck this dude. I love his music, but yeah, he as a person is really kind of deteriorating, especially politically.

SPEAKER_02

I I hate seeing that in people that you used to love, and then you they turn out to be just monsters of like they just are awful people down, deep down. Don't like it.

SPEAKER_01

I had to call out one of my old friends from high school because he has become like super Christian and he was posting, first of all, some bullshit about Palestine. He was he was posting about all the Arabs like taking over the certain city, and then he started getting into like anti-LGBTQ, talking about trans and why it's wrong. And so I get in there and I'm like, you know, my kids trans, and it's not something that they just made up, like they this is how they're born like this, man. And um he could came back some like long ass paragraphs. You know what I did? I know that he did some gay shit right after high school, and so I was like, uh, you're just like a self-hating uh gay man. Like, remember when you did this A, B, C, and D? Oh no man, he deserves it to be but see that's the thing that you know he it I felt like he's going after my kid in a sense, sure, or he's going after the the trans people, and like that is just fucking gross, right? And especially if you know he had his own experiences, and then he's like, I'm Christian now, that never happened, yeah. Anyway, I get mean.

SPEAKER_02

There's that I ain't gay no more. That like uh soundbite meme of that guy in church.

SPEAKER_01

What does he say?

SPEAKER_02

I ain't gay no more, right?

SPEAKER_01

I saw that, yeah. I mean, whatever shit changes, yeah. I got a California raisin shirt on.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, wait a minute. Let me see a raisin shirt on, and I found this little motherfucker, dude. Uh I found I saw uh California raisins at a house, like on an ashtray, or a couple actually, and they and I took a picture of it and sent it to my friends back home because we used to trade those things, and they were currency. We love the California.

SPEAKER_01

I think they must have come in like a happy meal or some shit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I can't remember where the fuck we got them to be honest. I can't remember if they were sold individually, or yeah, they came in happy meals, or they came.

SPEAKER_01

You can buy them on eBay in a pack.

SPEAKER_02

They came in like uh other things, they were like cereal boxes or whatever the fuck. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01

That's probably it, probably with the raisin brand, or yeah, like a box of raisin brand or something. Raisin brand is good.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's where that's where Julie's from. Raisin brand country. Her hometown is like sunmade center central.

SPEAKER_01

Really?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, and her family grew up. Like she grew up, they all work the the uh grapefields, not winery grapes, sunmade grapes.

SPEAKER_01

Sun made, yeah. Oh I'm brightening that.

SPEAKER_02

Sun made sun sun made's in my son's blood, I think. You know, I can't fucking hear you, dude. Sorry, it's the new mic you got me.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know, it's my computer. I need to get like a speaker for it.

SPEAKER_02

So my brother texted me and said he couldn't hear me either. Okay, because he was on IG, and I was like, okay, well, I don't know what's going on, but hopefully it's it works.

SPEAKER_01

Let's find out on your end.

SPEAKER_02

I tested the mic before we started, I always do. It sounded fine, so we'll see. But yeah, on that note, they should take podcasting equipment away from people like us because of shit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, my laptop and my iPhone, you dumb dick.

SPEAKER_02

Stay off the Reddit, stay off the Reddit.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I yeah, I have to.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not posting anything. You and Ryan Adams, stay off Reddit.

SPEAKER_01

We're just gonna be secretly watching. Anyway, all right. Love you. Meet it.

SPEAKER_02

I'll talk to you soon. Bye-bye.